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Revival is Not a Magic Word

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by Mike Jarvis

 

Let me just say at the beginning, I have restrained my words here as much as I can, to do more would be to short change everyone. This is not a personality issue, but a truth issue.  I hope everyone that reads this will be as satisfied with what God has done on the cross as I am

 

It is not by accident, that those who speak or write concerning the state of the church, often repeat themselves

The condition of the church demands the reiteration of the Truth

 

The expression “New Testament Church Model” comes from religious people looking at what they can see in the New Testament and attempting to copy it, the result is various degrees of something akin to a fraudulent copy of a Masterpiece. Something made to be like the original but lacking the substance and power of the original

 

The current fad is to look at revivals of the past and attempt to copy them the result is very similar to the first, you get a copy, a congregation being conformed to ape what people can deduce from history, everything, apart from a real move of the Spirit. This does not please God.  God however remains in love with us

 

If you look at historical events regarding “revival” (and believe me people have been looking), the main thing in all of them is the stuff of God, healing, spontaneous deliverance and supernatural signs and wonders. None of this can be orchestrated by a group of pastors, no matter how much they convince themselves they are in “unity” and “agreement”

 

What they are in is in fact a conspiracy, a conspiracy to make God move

 

They believe that He is waiting to receive the right number of prayers in his bowl, to see the right numbers of people at meetings, and the right amount of humility in the people and the hot topic currently, the right quality of Repentance!


 

How they judge the quality of our repentance is a question worth asking, however, I think it is probably related to how closely you stay in line

 

They don’t realise that all their efforts are a sort of divination, a sort of obsessive practice to create the right atmosphere, to persuade God to do their will

 

Leadership will often blame their congregations, they are sinful, disobedient, and proud and unrepentant, in short, despite the poor teaching and lack of truth it’s the congregation that is to blame for a lack of revival activity


Those things leadership looks for which prove revival is here. Of course this is a red herring, these things are simply an increase in religious duty, that makes leadership feel successful and validated

  

The main reason for a lack of real spiritual substance is that, the church does not know they are loved

 

If you don’t know you are loved so completely by god that you are thrilled and filled by that fact, you are unable to communicate it convincingly to anyone else. Let me pre-empt the protestations of “I know I’m loved” I don’t mean by deduction from scripture, but by the indwelling Christ the original Glory carrier the love that casts out all fear and overflows to all

 

If you know this you are probably really enjoying this article

 

Church is full of people with the facts in their head and not enough true experience of the indwelling Christ. From pastors down to pew fillers this is the condition. They are fed a compromise of Law and Grace that cripples them spiritually from being their true New Creation Identity. This makes not disciples of Jesus but religious Church Goers and that is how leadership likes it, how else can they measure their progress, except by seeing the  “obedience” they have prescribed

 

It’s not their fault, when the blind lead the blind all end up ignorant and fall in a pit

 

God hates this, loves the church but hates what has been done to it. Why? Because The Father threw a party and we turned it into a chore

 

The Chore of the Law was done away with in the New Covenant

Colossians 1 says:

From v 20:  If then you have died with Christ to material ways of looking at things and have escaped from the world’s crude and elemental notions and teachings of externalism, why do you live as if you still belong to the world?

 

(indicating that a good Jew was still worldly until joined to Christ and that Religion then, is a worldly system),

 

 [Why do you submit to rules and regulations?—such as but not limited to]

21 Do not handle [this], Do not taste [that], Do not even touch [them],

22 Referring to things all of which perish with being used.

To do this is to follow human precepts and doctrines.

 
Now really take this in:

23 Such [practices] have indeed the outward appearance [that popularly passes] for wisdom, in promoting self-imposed rigor of devotion and delight in self-humiliation

 

(Such as Imposed Repentance perhaps ?) and severity of discipline of the body, but they are of no value in checking the indulgence of the flesh (the lower nature). [Instead, they do not honor God but serve only to indulge the flesh]

  

And this is exactly where the current “revival party” has taken its stand, calling for a radical sack cloth extreme repentance, with the given example of Nineveh from the old testament for Justification, two words in bold and capitalised;

 
Wrong Covenant!
 

This is exactly the opposite of the Gospel that Paul Preached, as outlined above, insisting on the promotion of “Self-imposed” or Pastor imposed “rigor of devotion” (make sure you attend every meeting), and encouraging people to “delight in self-humiliation” this is done by citing the example of old covenant repentance as a worthy and honourable practice, Paul did not honour this

 

All this is simply Religion with a capital “R”.  Jesus said beware the leaven of the Pharisees. What is this leaven?

 

Religious pride is the leaven of the Pharisees and Sadducees, and we are warned by Jesus and Paul to have no part of it

It therefore makes no sense to seek to make it the foundation of a revival

 

Jesus said to Peter “you do not know what Spirit you are of” when Peter was following what seemed good to him and not understanding the Spirit of God. The term could be used equally well in this context

 

How do we solve this situation?  We need to understand that Revival is a Myth, let me explain


If a church needs revival it means it is dead, you do not revive a body that is alive, logical?  I think so

 

What this means simply is that where Grace is preached in fullness, and people are lead to their identity as clean and holy new creatures they will come to know the freedom of the love that casts out fear and they will vibrate with joy and will share naturally the overflow of the spirit. If the congregation live there will be an overflowing of grace that will go out to the world, it cannot be contained it is part of the New Creation, if encouraged the spiritual inner man will get out and all the things that men are trying to now force into being will happen naturally. It does require the Church to believe the Gospel

 

It almost certainly will not be to our timetable but it will be to the Holy Spirits design and that is all that counts

 

The revivals of the past are often occasions where a freshly inspired individual, not necessarily a leader, has acted in faith and God has blessed this creates the phenomenon that has been termed revival. When this in turn touches the world significantly, it is termed an awakening. The root however is the Gospel


The finished works are neglected but they are the source of all good things


John gives this account from chapter 20:

19 Then on that same first day of the week, when it was evening, though the disciples were behind closed doors for fear of the Jews, Jesus came and stood among them and said, Peace to you!

20 So saying, He showed them His hands and His side. And when the disciples saw the Lord, they were filled with joy (delight, exultation, ecstasy, rapture)

 

The finished works are the source of our Joy and our Joy the source of our strength


The Gospel needs to be explained so the revelation that people need can be obtained, there is no substitute for revelation. We have to be spiritually aware of our New Creation relation, Jesus, Friend, Brother and Teacher

 

We are so blessed in Him and so few are aware of it because they are misdirected to relating to the father not through the Son but through external religious means, law, tradition, man’s doctrines and denominational practice

 

Ephesians 2 recently blew me away, it says:

 

5. He made us alive together in fellowship and in union with Christ; [He gave us the very life of Christ Himself, the same new life with which He quickened Him, for] it is by grace (His favour and mercy which you did not deserve) that you are saved ([a]delivered from judgment and made partakers of Christ’s salvation)

6. And He raised us up together with Him and made us sit down together giving us [b]joint seating with Him in the heavenly sphere [by virtue of our being] in Christ Jesus (the Messiah, the Anointed One)

 

We are included in heaven now in Christ If we are entering His rest, trusting in what He has accomplished for us - we are already clean, his blood has washed us. We are Holy and all sin has been paid for, not so we can sin but so we can shake it off and be free in our minds that Jesus saves to the uttermost we are free indeed

 

Repentance is a word meaning change of mind, change of heart it is a work of grace not a pre-qualifying condition for it. If God can get a change of mind by grace, he can dispense with remorse and the emotion of remorse by bringing Joy. If we are born again we are new creatures with a new nature so the sin nature is removed from us (Paul's Gospel), we are set free. If not then Jesus died in vain

 

Remorse is often mistaken for repentance, remorse is sadness and regret for deeds done, it is perhaps legitimate but not as useful as joy for Grace, but church prefers it as they trust sadness more than joy it seems to display the right attitude

 

John 17 v 8 For it is by free grace (God’s unmerited favour) that you are saved ([c]delivered from judgment and made partakers of Christ’s salvation) through [your] faith. And this [salvation] is not of yourselves [of your own doing, it came not through your own striving], but it is the gift of God;

9 Not because of works [not the fulfillment of the Law’s demands], lest any man should boast. [It is not the result of what anyone can possibly do, so no one can pride himself in it or take glory to himself.]

10 For we are God’s [own] handiwork (His workmanship), [d]recreated in Christ Jesus, [born anew] that we may do those good works which God predestined (planned beforehand) for us [taking paths which He prepared ahead of time], that we should walk in them [living the good life which He prearranged and made ready for us to live]

The Cross should be a place of great relief and glorying for us. The party begins there. It is the will of God

Jesus asks on our behalf:  John 17 v 13 And now I am coming to You; I say these things while I am still in the world, so that My joy may be made full and complete and perfect in them [that they may experience My delight fulfilled in them, that My enjoyment may be perfected in their own souls, that they may have My gladness within them, filling their hearts]

If you have known one drop of this it changes your life forever


Come on pastors Preach the Gospel! It will revive your people and they will effortlessly bear fruit for Jesus as long as they are enjoying Him and his perfection.

 

Religion claims unity and agreement, but not to the point where leaders say, “lets dismantle our denominations and really present a united front in God”. This is how you know they don’t mean it. They all need their own empire and they love their differences more than the unity they pretend

 

“Beware the Leaven of the Pharisees and Sadducees” but Jump right into the Party of His Joy, The Father is still throwing a party, and the whole world has been invited

 
 

Let me end with these Grace filled excerpts from Duncan Campbell speaking of the Hebrides Revival

 
Duncan Campbell on the Hebrides Revival:

“There are two things that I would like to say in speaking about the revival in the Hebrides. First, I would like to make it perfectly clear that I did not bring revival to the Hebrides. It has grieved me beyond words to hear people talk and write about the man who brought revival to the Hebrides. My dear people, I didn't do that. Revival was there before I ever set foot on the island. It began in a gracious awareness of God sweeping through the parish of Barvas”. 

“Then I would like to make it perfectly clear what I understand of revival. When I speak of revival, I am not thinking of high-pressure evangelism. I am not thinking of crusades or of special efforts convened and organized by man. That is not in my mind at all. Revival is something altogether different from evangelism on its highest level. Revival is a moving of God in the community and suddenly the community becomes God conscious before a word is said by any man representing any special effort”.

 

When asked how it began he said this: “Revival began in an awareness of God. Revival began when the Holy Ghost began to grip men and that was how it began”. “Now perhaps I should go into some of the features that characterized this remarkable movement. Well, already I have mentioned to you that men were found in trances. Perhaps I should say this that in the Lewis revival we never saw anybody healed, that wasn't a feature of it”.  (this does not exclude healing).

“At 4 o'clock, we decided to make for the manse. Of course, you understand, we make no appeals--you never need to make an appeal or an altar call in revival. Why, the roadside becomes an altar. We just leave men and women to make their way to God themselves--after all, that is the right way. God can look after His own. Oh, God can look after His own! And when God takes a situation in hand, I tell you He does a better work. He does a better work”.

This account is not a prescription but does reveal the gracious nature of  God doing fine with people of faith, with as little intervention from men as possible yes they prayed, but they were responding to the Spirit not pushing the people up a hill.

 

Complete article can be read at http://www.shilohouse.org/Hebrides_Revival.htm 

  
Mike Jarvis June 2012 ©
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Mike J (Guest) 12/07/2012 20:23
I withhold no blessing, honest, is this really public the "offense" if that is the right word, was public in the sense it was in front of people it seems to me the response should be too, only fair?

I would welcome the opportunity to share my testimony to the grace of god but I feel that this is unlikely I want to reform the religious and that spirit is aware of it, plain speaking never hurt anyone really, the fear of man stops many from bringing a word of correction I have seen too much to play that game now. Insist on sound doctrine the scripture says, I will. Leadership has in my experience ruined many lives with poor teaching as they expect Obedience to their error they lead many astray and away from the Gospel promise Jesus did not Preach Hell and Damnation and only a legal paradigm would see it that way.

I genuinely love those at the Revival meeting but I am not bound by human agreement which looks like "unity" but is not unity, He Is Unity, we are in him therefore in union with all that are in Him. If we believe and have the revelation.

But most do not really know they are in him or how glorious the dispensation of the new covenant is, but are tricked into something much less, revival is the truth breaking out of you and spreading to another, not a meeting based on doctrines that are erroneous or Truth not fully realised or believed.

We had a meeting for about two years in my house seeking revival before the ones at Park what I wanted was the outpouring of the power of God not just a bigger meeting, if you look at the Hebrides experience it was 5 weeks before the fire fell this should be a bit of a clue. at least asks the question what was different?

We are meant to be fully satisfied and blessed with what Jesus has don we must see all his works wrought for us and realise this Grace then it will spill out and the rest will be our life in Him not striving to achieve in our own efforts what Jesus has done for us already. We don't buy revival with our prayers we are revival because of Him In Us! bliss of Christ to all.


Mike J (Guest) 13/07/2012 00:20
I withhold no blessing, honest, is this really public the "offense" if that is the right word, was public in the sense it was in front of people it seems to me the response should be too, only fair?

I would welcome the opportunity to share my testimony to the grace of god but I feel that this is unlikely I want to reform the religious and that spirit is aware of it, plain speaking never hurt anyone really, the fear of man stops many from bringing a word of correction I have seen too much to play that game now. Insist on sound doctrine the scripture says, I will. Leadership has in my experience ruined many lives with poor teaching as they expect Obedience to their error they lead many astray and away from the Gospel promise Jesus did not Preach Hell and Damnation and only a legal paradigm would see it that way.

I genuinely love those at the Revival meeting but I am not bound by human agreement which looks like "unity" but is not unity, He Is Unity, we are in him therefore in union with all that are in Him. If we believe and have the revelation.

But most do not really know they are in him or how glorious the dispensation of the new covenant is, but are tricked into something much less, revival is the truth breaking out of you and spreading to another, not a meeting based on doctrines that are erroneous or Truth not fully realised or believed.

We had a meeting for about two years in my house seeking revival before the ones at Park what I wanted was the outpouring of the power of God not just a bigger meeting, if you look at the Hebrides experience it was 5 weeks before the fire fell this should be a bit of a clue. at least asks the question what was different?

We are meant to be fully satisfied and blessed with what Jesus has don we must see all his works wrought for us and realise this Grace then it will spill out and the rest will be our life in Him not striving to achieve in our own efforts what Jesus has done for us already. We don't buy revival with our prayers we are revival because of Him In Us! bliss of Christ to all.


(Guest) 13/07/2012 09:30
I think from my perspective it is time to call time on our "little exchange", I am not insisting on the last word so welcome you to have it should you wish.

So many of your surface level observations that you have made about the Revival prayer meetings are not accurate, you are welcome to your theological opinions around what is said but you have painted a picture through this thread that is not factual. You have taken things out of context, you have not understood the heart motivation and what is believed to be clear God given direction. Within your last post you outline one revival experience where God worked in some way, there are of course others that we give another picture.

Mike, unless you believe that you have the only true revelation from God and interpretation of scripture, softening your words, inserting phrases like "I believe" would really help your course. We are all on a journey unpacking the world transforming truths that are held in any one verse of scripture we need the support of each other to do that. If you have a message to the share consider how you present it. On first reading of your first post I was with a lot of what you said but you lost me due to your communication through the article and your physical presence at the last meeting. Such a shame.

I would respectfully ask you to consider three steps

1. Acknowledge the heartfelt, passionate motivation of the leadership of the revival meetings (even if they are wrong you can show them respect). Build them up encourage them and in my opinion apologies for some offence that you have caused
2. Acknowledge that there is a chance that you may have offered a out of context slant on the revival prayer meeting (simply based on lack of information)
3. Commit to working with those who are seeking to serve God in the area. Perhaps this could start by encouraging your own church to get involved.

I sincerely apologies and ask for your forgiveness if anything I have said has caused offense, this has not been my intention. I continue to prayer that God works in you (as he is in me) to finish the work that he has started.
Mike J (Guest) 13/07/2012 12:56
Change and an opposite view is usually resisted, Jesus said he came to bring not peace but a sword and this was to sever people from the shackle of religion. The Revival idea is based in a misunderstood old testament, old covenant scripture. New covenant scripture gives a different basis for faith and life and expectation.

You have apparently little insight in to the article and come from a position predisposed to rejection of the new. This is not about point scoring but there is a reformation underway, where the freedom of the gospel is realised in the life of the believer and where this relationship does not rely on man in the shape of minister but Jesus the hope of Glory revealed within the individual He said call no man teacher! in other words make no man a vicar, an intermediary between the congregation and Him, but this is how congregations generally work the many looking to the few instead of all looking to the one thing needful, Christ.

You obviously think this will go away it cannot, grace abounds and the new is here in the hearts of those who belive it upsets the status quo and cannot be managed into religion and people should not try- Was paul lacking in love? he said of the legal circumcision party that he wished they would remove their entire genitalia, was he passionate for the Gospel and without Love? No he knew the Love so well he was hurt by the legal chains being placed on the people Are your people truly revived? overflowing with glory and peace or just conforming to your expectations.

CHURCH needs this debate more than almost anything else- Bliss of Christ to all its yours after all he died to make you spiritual and free.
Mike J (Guest) 14/07/2012 13:19
I do understand the motivation behind wanting revival, what I have found is that the basis of it, is in the wrong place, what we might want God to do is not as important as what he has already done in us, the new creation is all that counts says Paul, and this the church has neglected as if he never said it. What we are now has to be understood first, then we can understand that WE ARE THE REVIVAL already!!

If congregations could appreciate their salvation fully the life of Jesus in them would spill out to everyone else that is revival!! My fear is that churches Just want more members and revival is seen as a means to an end.

I was told that new members coming from these meetings as they are multi-church orientated would be distributed by location to participating churches, if true this simply supports the obsession with "local Church" and that they are all the same and as good as each other this is an obvious fallacy.

I have been to a total of three meetings so my presence should not have caused so much trouble and at the last one I was Judged for apparently being "Judging" no one spoke with me Barr a couple of people I already know, and No One inquired after my thoughts. When pen and paper was given out for sharing what God was saying to us - I wasn't given one My thoughts not wanted obviously.

Certain people were once accused of being drunk - but were not drunk as the accuser had supposed. I was not sitting in Judgement in the sense of passing sentence on anyone, but the spiritual man Judges all things. that is; his insight forms opinion and sums a circumstance. Someone spoke in the meeting recently, saying how you needed to be "open to people from outside the meeting who God could use" it seems that's OK only if they agree with your established view.

The whole structure and understanding of how church works is being changed by the holy spirit, reformation is underway! this threatens those in leadership because it poses more questions than answers, perhaps, and revises the control element of church. If all denominations were to disappear over night I would not weep, but rejoice! as people would have to get to grips with their faith and maybe read the Gospel of Paul with fresh eyes. They would find GRACE FREEDOM JOY. All that which they barely understand now would become crucial and real.

Jesus is on the inside and he wants to come out and play. Bliss of Christ to all
Including my unidentified correspondent, critic, and accuser.

gary steed 18/07/2012 22:57
Speaking the truth in Love
NKJ Revelation 3:17 "Because you say, 'I am rich, have become wealthy, and have need of nothing' -- and do not know that you are wretched, miserable, poor, blind, and naked
This could be considered harsh criticism and this applies to many throughout the world today and it is a means to bring healing and renewal of mind so we can go on to receive the prescription.
NKJ Revelation 3:18 "I counsel you to buy from Me gold refined in the fire, that you may be rich; and white garments, that you may be clothed, that the shame of your nakedness may not be revealed; and anoint your eyes with eye salve, that you may see.

The two covenants have been mixed making the New covenant ineffective we need to separate the two dispensations from each other so we can fully walk in all the provisions blessings and promises in the new covenant.
19/6/2012 about 12pm the Holy Spirit gave me this

In an insane world only the sane are considered mad
The world tries to make sense of the world without including the Creator who created the world
This is like trying to build a house from the roof down
The sane digs down to the bedrock because they trust in wise instruction.
1:30am 20/6/2012

The clay is just clay and has no power in its self to form its self it neither knows nor understands what it has been predestined to become, its shape size and design and decoration are in the hands of the potter.
The blacksmith blows the coals in the fire and brings forth an instrument for his work. The metal is selected heated and beaten and formed into shape by the strength and power of the blacksmith.
NKJ Isaiah 49:2 And He has made My mouth like a sharp sword; In the shadow of His hand He has hidden Me, And made Me a polished shaft; In His quiver He has hidden Me."

Are we not fashioned to be His Arrows?
NKJ Psalm 18:14 He sent out His arrows and scattered the foe, Lightning’s in abundance, and He vanquished them.

NKJ 1 Corinthians 15:56 The sting of death is sin, and the strength of sin is the law.

(Sin is empowered by the Law)

NAS Romans 5:20 And the Law came in that the transgression might increase; but where sin increased, grace abounded all the more,

(Why would God want people to sin more?)

(1/ so that we might come to understand that there a force working in us that is stronger than us.
2/ that His mercy love and compassion might be revealed despite our fallen state and draw us to Himself.)

NKJ Galatians 3:24 Therefore the law was our tutor to bring us to Christ, that we might be justified by faith.

NKJ Galatians 3:25 But after faith has come, we are no longer under a tutor.
NKJ Hebrews 4:10 For he who has entered His rest has himself also ceased from his works as God did from His.

NKJ Galatians 2:19 "For I through the law died to the law that I might live to God
NKJ Galatians 3:10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse; for it is written, "Cursed is everyone who does not continue in all things which are written in the book of the law, to do them."

(So then those who look to the Law have taken their eyes off of Christ and not continued in His Rest and Grace and peace.)
NKJ Galatians 5:1 Stand fast therefore in the liberty by which Christ has made us free, and do not be entangled again with a yoke of bondage.(the Law)
NKJ James 4:7 Therefore submit to God. Resist the devil and he will flee from you.

(There is more liberty and freedom in becoming Christ’s slave and prisoner, because He is the Most Excellent and Loving Master anyone could submit to.)
NKJ 1 John 3:9 Whoever has been born of God does not sin, for His seed remains in him; and he cannot sin, because he has been born of God.
Someone who is in sin is someone who does not know Jesus Christ through the indwelling of the Gift of the Holy Spirit.
A righteous person has accepted that by Christ’s works alone they have been made righteous holy and set apart to God through the indwelling of the Holy Spirit.
Once one is born again and baptized in the Holy Spirit and knows Jesus Christ and is known by Him they cannot go back into ignorance of the life of God they cannot be unborn again nor can they be separated from the Holy Spirit (I will never leave you nor forsake you) and whoever is Joined to the Lord is One Spirit with Him and what God Has Joined together let no man separate, and we cannot be separated from the love of Jesus Christ.

Mike J (Guest) 05/08/2012 12:16
Gary are you local? contact me on agents4change@gmx.co.uk would be interested to speak with you at some point.

Mary (Guest) 06/08/2012 03:42
So what you are saying is once saved always saved? You need to get back to reading the Bible my friend as you are missing the point. Find me a Christian who doesn't slip up and need Jesus to cleanse them and forgive them. Sin is a constant battle for all of us.
gary steed 07/08/2012 12:26
Mary how long is a piece of string?
It depends on how it is folded. Even the smallest fold represents the largest length a large measure and a small measure they are a scale of each other.
The new covenant is not a covenant of sin it is a covenant of grace alone we are accepted in the beloved by the works of Jesus Christ alone, and we enter his rest and we rest from our works of trying to become righteous by our own effort.
It is the work of the Holy Spirit who is Changing us from Glory To Gory He matures us as we rest In Him
The Apostle Paul said all thing are permissible to Him but not beneficial, in other words He Had the choice in everything even the works of the flesh but through choice not through Law He resisted the works of the flesh as he Knew that it would lead to not inheriting the kingdom of God.
Indeed 1john 3:9 is strong meat i was given it to suck on within two weeks of being born again to educate my pallet, it is his word and His word is Truth and his Truth Set Us Free

mikeJ (Guest) 16/08/2012 01:00
@Mary

The distinction isn't in the buzz words of Christianity! if you look at Ephesians two and colossians two, you find a work that is a new covenant. Gary is right but it is even better than that, we are reconciled to christ by christ and given a new nature the gospel says so, your problem is with modern murdering of the Gospel of Paul.

We think in terms that are not really part of the Gospel, the idea of being saved is akin to an insurance policy, but Paul says the only thing that counts is a new creation. This is not taught as it should be, a new creature we are in Christ not just excused but made different, to who we were before we believed, colosians two says that in us reside the Father the Son and the Holy Spirit that were not in residence untill we believed, and were born again.

Christians fail becaused they are taught to fail, taught to be fearful of sin instead of taught they are beyond sin in Jesus, if the Father and the son and the Holy Spirit are in you and jesus says in John that we are in him, and in Him there is no darkness at all! sin ceases to figure for the spiritual man.

I will give you a heart of flesh not a heart of stone, the law was written on unyielding stone but the New creature has it in their heart are you a saint or a sinner church will teach you you are still a sinner, subject to sin Jesus would teach you, you are a new Creature removed from wrath and removed from the Law scripture says where there is no law there is no transgression.

If sin is a constant battle you are either not believing in jesus or you are simply not born again, the good news is that salvation works!

If Jesus has not delivered you into a better state than the Law could manage then there is no salvation in christ or anywhere else, this new covenant is better than the old and what the law could not do Jesus achieved says hebrews. The law perfected no one says Paul, but what the law could not do has been achieved in Christ. its a lie to say sin is a constant battle, a lie perpetuated by the church and erroneous doctrine.

We are Perfected in Christ that was the whole point. That is the good news He is our righteousness and we are his, on the contrary mary, you read the Gospel of paul and show me where he suggests we are doomed to sin, he says "not I who sin But sin in me" sin taking advantage of the law, he does not even own it as his own, he then asks who shall deliver me? and answers his own question "thanks be to christ"

Jesus may have well have not bothered, Herod may as well of had him killed as an infant if his death does not save us from sin. Salvation is a redemptive work we are sown perishable and reaped imperishable, one thing is redeemed for another.

Come on Church read the Gospel without doctrine, save yourself from this corrupt generation. and the erroneous teaching of the charismatics, so called not because of their charisma however.

Mary you may email me on agents4change@gmx.co.uk if you want to explore more.
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